{"id":2802,"date":"2013-05-20T15:35:13","date_gmt":"2013-05-20T19:35:13","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/beatrice.com\/wordpress\/?page_id=2802"},"modified":"2013-05-20T15:38:41","modified_gmt":"2013-05-20T19:38:41","slug":"interview-catherine-bush","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"http:\/\/beatrice.com\/wordpress\/interview-catherine-bush\/","title":{"rendered":"The Beatrice Interview: Catherine Bush (2000)"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/beatrice.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/05\/cate-bush.jpg\" alt=\"Catherine Bush\" title=\"Catherine Bush\" hspace=\"7\" width=\"250\" height=\"221\" align=\"left\" \/><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>I sit with Catherine Bush at a table in the crowded coffeeshop of one of Manhattan&#8217;s many Barnes and Noble shops, chatting amiably before her scheduled reading. The conversation turns to our favorite authors: &#8220;I constantly go back to Michael Ondaatje,&#8221; she says. &#8220;He creates such amazing scenes and is such an extraordinarily lyric writer. I find his latest, <I>Anil&#8217;s Ghost<\/I>, very interesting because it comes at issues of contemporary warfare from a very different angle than my book does. It&#8217;s interesting to think of our two books as part of a larger dialogue.&#8221; Her novel, <I>The Rules of Engagement<\/I>, is the story of Arcadia Hearne, a Canadian woman who works in London as a researcher in &#8220;Contemporary War Studies.&#8221; A series of events that begins with a surprise visit from her sister, a globetrotting journalist, forces her to confront the effects of modern war in a much more emotional context, and lead her to reexamine the violent circumstances that prompted her to flee Canada a decade before.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><b>Why was there such a long gap between your first novel, <I>Minus Time<\/I>, and <I>The Rules of Engagement<\/I>?<\/b><\/p>\n<p>Novels take the length of time they take, and you can&#8217;t predict in advance how long that will be. <I>Minus Time<\/I> took me four and a half years to write. I&#8217;m not a demon speed queen who turns out novels in one or two years. Maybe one day I&#8217;ll write a book that won&#8217;t take me that long, but these two books did. We live in a marketplace that urges us to put out things really quickly, but I think that we need time to rejuvenate, to recuperate. I had to find a way to do that. And I also had to support myself. I had a full-time teaching job for two years. I also had some muscular problems, a bad case of repetitive stress injury, and spent a lot of time in physiotherapy. But I don&#8217;t know if this book could have been written any faster if those things hadn&#8217;t occurred.<\/p>\n<p>If somebody had told me when I started <I>Rules<\/I> that I&#8217;d work on it for six and a half years, I probably would have been aghast, but then you get into the work and it sets its own demands. You have to keep writing until it&#8217;s as good as it can be. Early on, I put a lot of external pressure on myself to try to finish it more quickly, and then I realized the thematic challenges I&#8217;d set up for myself were just taking time for me to work out.<\/p>\n<p>And I also started thinking of writing the book as a process of becoming the person who could write the book I wanted to write. Both books have been journeys of discovery for me. There were things that I wanted to know and didn&#8217;t know, so I had to figure out how to find them out, how to tell the story.<\/p>\n<p><b>What was the first thing that you wanted to know when you started <I>Rules<\/I>?<\/b><\/p>\n<p>I started with the idea of a woman who writes about war theory and has a duel fought over her. I just loved the coming together of someone who writes about, and intellectualizes, violence and war and also has this bizarre violent event in her own life. I wanted to talk about violence, confront it in myself, to think about it in ways that I had resisted thinking about it, and a duel seemed to be an interesting angle at which to come at the issue. It was also a way for me to talk about some early relationships in my own life, and the kind of intensity that early relationships often have. Even if they don&#8217;t lead to duels, they can still be deeply shaping and scarring, and we all live with the legacies of those intense relationships.<\/p>\n<p><b>One of the first challenges of this story is to create a psychologically convincing fiction in which the idea of fighting a duel in the modern world becomes plausible, and the reactions to it seem realistic. <\/b><\/p>\n<p>Exactly. I like books that take that kind of dare, and I like to make myself those kinds of dares. It interested me to take a lot of nineteenth-century overtones and a veneer of romance, something that seems very historical, and put it at the end of the twentieth century&#8211;see what we, with our modern mindsets, would do. But whether a duel is fought in the nineteenth century or the twentieth, I&#8217;m really interested in what it feels like to have a duel fought over you. That story isn&#8217;t told in traditional dueling literature, which is all about the guys who fight. Duels aren&#8217;t always fought over women, but they usually are, and I wonder, what&#8217;s it like to be fought over? What sort of scars does it leave? <\/p>\n<p><b>There are elements of the story that could be, in another context, the basis of a political thriller, but you keep them grounded in the characters&#8217; personal situations. <\/b><\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;ve just started work on a new book, so I&#8217;ve been thinking about the types of books I love to read and ideally would like to write, and I keep thinking about a book that would be the secret love child of Alice Munro and Haruki Murakami. One of the things I love about Murakami&#8217;s work, especially <I>The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle<\/I>, is the way he&#8217;ll take the conventions of, say, the detective genre and then build a very literary overlay on them. But I like the element of mystery that&#8217;s embedded in the story, that keeps you reading. You also see that in Paul Auster&#8217;s work&#8230; I like that element of suspense, of motion in a story, and as a writer I&#8217;d like to be able to pull the reader along in that way.<\/p>\n<p>We all have secrets of one kind of another. We&#8217;re all forced to confront various situations where we either take risks or don&#8217;t&#8212;emotional risks, psychological risks. And I&#8217;ve spent a lot of time travelling between countries. My family&#8217;s originally from England, then we moved to Canada, where I live now. I lived in the United States for ten years, and when I was writing this book, I spent a lot of time in London for research. So I live my life on this weird, triangulated axis between three countries, and I think a lot of my obsession with geographical displacement, and people who live between borders, comes out of my own experiences.<\/p>\n<p>And you&#8217;re always in a funny position as a Canadian, because you&#8217;re innocuous and invisible and usually mistaken for an American overseas. At the same time, our neutrality has its own desirability. Canadian passports <I>are<\/I> the most forged in the world; when I found that out, I was fascinated. I knew I had to write about it somehow.<\/p>\n<p><b>Other people&#8217;s reactions when they learn about the duel are an important part of the story. What sort of reactions did you face when you told&#8212;and tell&#8212;people you were writing a novel about a duel in modern-day Toronto? <\/b><\/p>\n<p>At first they don&#8217;t quite understand what you&#8217;ve said, so you start making pistol signs in the air with your hands. &#8220;You know, a duel, with pistols&#8230;&#8221; And then they ask, &#8220;<I>When<\/I> is the book set again?&#8221; I like being able to take people by surprise like that, though. Some people have told me that it&#8217;s too extraordinary, how could something like that happen in Toronto? But my feeling is that stuff happens everywhere, weird, violent stuff. I remember riding in a cab in Montreal, wtih a Yugoslavian cab driver, describing his conversations with Quebecois about the civil wars in Yugoslavia. They would tell him, &#8220;It could never happen here. We&#8217;re not violent.&#8221; And he would always tell them, &#8220;You may not be violent, but you can <I>become<\/I> violent.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Young men, especially, can be so volatile, can believe themselves to be invincible. That&#8217;s a global phenomenon. On that level, the idea of a duel doesn&#8217;t seem so surprising to me. And Toronto has such a reputation for being nice and staid that I liked to shake up its literary image a bit. It also has these ravines where various writers, including Margaret Atwood, have placed weird, wild, terrible events. If weird stuff happens in Toronto, it&#8217;ll happen in the ravines; they&#8217;re a wild country within our city. <\/p>\n<p><b>How early on in your life did you know writing was what you wanted to do?<\/b><\/p>\n<p>I wrote my first novel, which I didn&#8217;t finish, when I was ten, about a group of kids who take over a spaceship, and then I wrote another one when I was eleven. I wrote a lot in college, and after I graduated I moved to New York. When I lived here, my main professional life was as a dance and performance critic. I think I just needed to get away from an academic environment, get out and live some more, until I had something to write about.<\/p>\n<p>So I was always writing, but it took me a long time to think that I could be a writer, in the professional sense, and to choose what kind of writing I was going to do. When I was in my mid-twenties, I decided that I wanted to write a novel, and I really had to streamline my life to make this possible. It was a gamble that I had to take; I wouldn&#8217;t be able to live with myself otherwise. And since then, I&#8217;ve never looked back.<\/p>\n<p><font size=\"1\">photo: Ayelet Tsabari<\/font><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I sit with Catherine Bush at a table in the crowded coffeeshop of one of Manhattan&#8217;s many Barnes and Noble shops, chatting amiably before her scheduled reading. The conversation turns to our favorite authors: &#8220;I constantly go back to Michael Ondaatje,&#8221; she says. &#8220;He creates such amazing scenes and is such an extraordinarily lyric writer. 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