The Beatrice Interview


Karen Salmansohn

"You don't need a penis to succeed, you just need balls."


interviewed by Ron Hogan

Karen Salmansohn has some good horror stories about working in advertising in the late '80s and early '90s. "I was helping Purina come up with the 'chow-chow-chow' theme for the 90s," she recalls over coffee in her San Francisco hotel room. "My boss had told me that it was okay to do three chows in a row, because that was copyrighted, but I couldn't do two chows in a row, but I could do three chows and then another chow. So we were in there for an hour discussing whether four chows was three chows then one or two then two." A few more experiences like that and she was ready to ditch advertising to become a writer. Now, after a novel and a humor book, she's come out with a career advice book for women: How to Succeed in Busines Without a Penis. Beneath its irreverent tone, there's a solid, practical strategy that will help women maintain the self-esteem and confidence to move ahead in the workplace without compromising their identity.

RH: So what's your inspiration for writing this book?

KS: Well, I was born without a penis. That would be my original inspiration for writing the book... I used to be in advertising, and because of that I have a lot of awareness of marketing and positioning. When my 50% Off came out, it was very difficult for me to get publicity with a novel, so I attempted to get some niche positioning as a relationship expert, which in the 1990s is as simple as getting it printed under your name. I started giving seminars to writers' groups and women's groups, and eventually I started to think about how to get to the next level of success with the people in Hollywood I was starting to deal with.

At the same time, I was starting to think about what success was. So working on this book was great, because I got paid to sit around and read books about the things that I was thinking about and write about it. It was very cathartic and therapeutic, and in a way the computer's like a Ouija board: you sit down in front of it with no clues and start writing, then you realize, "Oh, so that's what I'm thinking."

RH: So this is definitely a product of where you're at in your life and your career right now?

KS: As I've said throughout the book, women have to come to terms with our male side as well as our female side. Part of me was fighting against my male side, my assertiveness or ballsiness, while another part of me was fighting against my female qualities. It was great to realize that I didn't have to fight against either of them, that I could embrace them.

RH: How do you "embrace your male side"?

KS: You don't need a penis to succeed, you just need balls. The balls thing has definitely worked in my favor. In fact, I just sold my novel to Hollywood due to balls. My agent had stopped sending it out, and then I switched agents, so it had fallen in the cracks between agents, so on my own I took it to Marisa Tomei, who read it and loved it. She has a deal with Miramax, so she showed it to them, and now it's optioned and I'm writing the first draft of the screenplay.

Another thing is that men are warriors, women are worriers. We need to get more warrior in us and less worrier. I talk about how having balls leads to having to make the choice between winning and being liked. Of course, for guys winning means being liked, but for women, being tough can mean the risk of losing intimacy not only between us and men who are intimidated by successful women, but between us and other women as well. It's not just the penises we have to watch out for, but the vaginas as well.

RH: You're very matter-of-fact and straightforward about all this.

KS: I've been through it myself in real life. I'm lucky enough to have a strong female support system that I call the "Girlfriend Board." This is all stuff that I've been talking about with them, and that I've been trying to tell myself alone in bed at 3 a.m. And I didn't want to come out with a book that was simply rah-rah female and not honest about the fact that for every advantage there's a disadvantage and vice versa.

I've run into that with my title. Having the word "penis" in there is an advantage because it makes people perk up when they hear it, but it's a disadvantage in that a lot of readers are penis-phobic. I dread the possibility that I'll be remembered as the "Penis Lady" for the rest of my career. I've been on the road with this book and said the word "penis" so many times that I don't ever want to see one again... I'm kidding. Don't worry.

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