The Beatrice Interview


Carl Hiaasen

"If you're already in your mid-forties, you're probably confronting the fact that you're not immortal."


interviewed by Ron Hogan

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Carl Hiaasen's latest novel, Basket Case, is set in the anything-goes Florida that's he's written about in eight previous novels and his twice-weekly column for the Miami Herald. But it's the first novel he's written that features a journalist as the main character--Jack Tagger, a former investigative reporter who's been busted down to the obituary section for offending his coroporate masters. When he realizes that the death notice that's just crossed his desk is about Jimmy Stoma, the former lead singer of Jimmy and the Slut Puppies, he thinks he may be on to a story...but nobody except Hiaasen could possibly anticipate the twists and turns his research takes. The novel also includes the lyrics to Jimmy and the Slut Puppies's biggest hit, also called "Basket Case," which is, in reality, a collaboration between Hiaasen and Warren Zevon that appears on Zevon's new record.

RH: This is the first novel you've ever written in the first person. What prompted you to tell the story from Jack's point of view?

CH: The first person pronoun isn't something you use a lot in daily journalism, so I'd always been leery of it, but I'd always wanted to try writing a novel in the first person. I knew it would be a big transition for me, but I thought that if I had the right character, someone whose head I could stand to be in for the entire story, and who I could eventually get to like, then I could make the jump.

That's why I chose Jack--I'd been wanting to do a story about obituary writing for a long time, and I thought that if I made the protagonist a middle-aged journalist, someone roughly my age, who'd come into journalism at the same time I did, during the idealistic era just after Watergate, when Woodward and Bernstein were our heroes, I could identify with him and write with a voice that rang truer.

RH: Obviously your career is a lot more secure than Jack's...

CH: Sure, I haven't had the bad luck he's had. I also haven't had the opportunity to stand up at a stockholder's meeting and figuratively piss on the shoes of the chairman of the board. But it's something every reporter dreams about, so the nice thing about the novel is that I can let Jack do it. But he's paid the price, and now he has to write his way back to respectability, and hopefully to the front page. The beat that he's on, though... I always wondered how people could write obituaries day in and day out, constantly dealing with death and dead people, and not have it affect them in some way. And if you're already in your mid-forties, you're probably confronting the fact that you're not immortal. It raised some interesting questions, and I thought Jack would be a good person to have ruminating about that stuff.

RH: So do you have your own collection of great obituary headlines?

CH: I have a few tacked up on the wall. The New York Times headline in the novel--Sir Seewoosagur Ramgoolan of Mauritius Dies At Age 85--is a real headline that I've saved for years. It really is my favorite obituary headline ever. There's another one from the Times that appears in the book: Ronald Lockley, An Intimate of Rabbits. That's all it says. He was a very famous naturalist, most famous for his work with rabbits. But to be immortalized with a headline like that... that's pretty spectacular.

RH: Along with the mystery that drives the plot, Basket Case has a very passionate defense of a certain type of journalism, and a no- holds barred attack on how corporate newspaper owners have diminished what Jack, and presumably you, see as that mission.

CH: That's me, absolutely. In every novel I've written there's characters who get to make a few speeches, get to rant and rave about things that I've said or wished that I've said. And the newspaper world today is definitely not what it was twenty years ago; the general dumbing-down of the daily newspaper has been well documented. For the reporter in the trenches, it's an unnerving and demoralising thing to watch when your paper can no longer cover a city or a town because they don't have enough warm bodies to do it. It means the readers aren't getting the information they need--and it's all about money. It always has been. It's an age-old battle, but now it's getting insidious because it's big corporations that are buying up the papers and stripping them down. Then they wonder why circulation and readership are declining. The answer's real simple--they aren't putting enough news in the papers--but they haven't figured that out yet.

RH: It must be difficult to attract new reporters because not only are papers no longer hiring as much as before, many savvy, talented young writers would rather not subject themselves to those conditions. You get people like the intern in your novel who's basically spending time at the paper as a fun thing to do before he buckles down and enters business school.

CH: I just gave a commencement at the University of Miami's College of Communications. They have programs in advertising, public relations, broadcasting, and journalism, and by far the fewest number of graduates were in print journalism... Everyone knows it's not a profession you go into to make money, or for glory. It's because you believe it's the right thing to do. But it's not what it used to be, and smart graduates know that this is a business whose future is pretty shaky.

But there's a lot of great reporters who went on to success in other fields, and journalism has also produced a lot of great writers and novelists, because there's no better way to learn about the world than sitting in a big city newsroom and having it laid out in front of you every single day.

RH: It's turned out that many of the terrorists involved in the September 11th attacks were based, at least for a little while, in Florida. How have you dealt with that, and with the situation in general, in your journalism? Have you had to adjust your tone in any way?

CH: No. For the first month or so, we were all writing what we felt: horror, misery, and grief. None of us felt much like laughing, and we didn't. But as time passes, and we redirect some of these emotions, particularly the anger and outrage, humor becomes a way for many of us to deal with the aggressive feelings inside. Once Letterman and Leno started making the bin Laden jokes, it sort of became okay for the rest of us, and in the long run it's therapeutic and healthy for us to be able to laugh again.

Laughter doesn't diminish the losses we experienced, or the crime itself, but it sure helps when you have a target as deserving of ridicule as these guys. At first I wasn't comfortable writing about them in my column, but now I don't think it's an unhealthy thing for Americans to be amused at the notion of this big, bad terrorist huddled in a cave picking bat guano out of his beard while B-52s pound the living tar out of Afghanistan. I'm not speaking for the rest of the country, but to me that's a comforting image. I want him to be miserable, and I like the idea--it's an image that brings a smile to my face, and I think there's nothing wrong with presenting that as a satirical idea.

RH: In your years of covering crime and corruption in Florida, you must have seen dozens of things that were as bizarre, if not more so, than fundamentalist Muslim terrorists hanging out in strip clubs.

CH: There's proof that irony isn't dead: that one of the first things you have to write about in this story is these guys are on their way to Allah and, if the stories are to be believed, they're stuffing hundred-dollar bills in strippers' G-strings. The hypocrisy of it is amazing...and the fact that fourteen of them were apparently enjoying themselves while they lived in Florida. This culture that's so evil, such a poison to their religious beliefs, was something they settled into quite readily. They might have prayed differently when they got together in private, but they sure put on a good act the rest of the time.

RH: Do you have any plans to address the situation in your fiction?

CH: We've had terrorist groups in Florida for years, among the Cuban exile community, and if you dared to speak out against them, or what they believed, they'd blow up your car or shoot you. So we've had experience dealing with this sort of thing here. In Tourist Season I had a completely bumbling terrorist who was always blowing up the wrong car, couldn't remember the name of his organization because it kept changing, and wasn't even sure what he was fighting for half the time. You could take a character like that and do a Mohammed Atta version of him, or the guy who stays out at the strip club all night and spends the next morning on his knees praying to Allah.

It would be easy to slip somebody like that into a cast of characters, but a whole novel? A satirical novel about Middle Eastern terrorism isn't something I'd want to try to tackle at the moment. We have no idea how it's going to turn out, but we can be pretty sure there's going to be more bloodshed here at home. So it'd be risky to write that kind of story now, but maybe someday we'll live in a safe enough world that we can look back and say, "God, what a bunch of putzes they were."

RH: How did the collaboration with Warren Zevon come about?

CH: I'm a friend of Warren's, and I'd written some lyrics with him a long time ago for songs on one of his other albums. So after I finished Basket Case, I had some fictional lyrics to a song sprinkled throughout the book, and while they were fun to write, I didn't have a whole song. I thought it would have been cool to have one song, something that sounded authentic, like an '80s song that Jimmy and the Slut Puppies would have done. So I talked to Warren, showed him the book, and asked him if he'd be interested in helping me finish the song.

I thought he'd turn me down, because he was trying to finish his album, but he thought it could be fun. I didn't have anything to do with the music--that was all Warren, and it was very kind of him to do that. It was a true act of friendship. While he and I faxed lyrics back and forth to each other, he was working on a guitar lick, and eventually he sent me a CD that he burned of a demo version of the song. It was basically just him and his guitar, but it was still better than anything that Jimmy and the Slut Puppies would have actually done. "We have to be careful not to make this too good," I told him. "It'll spoil the joke!"

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